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‘Gaza is a moral tear in the universe’: Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor | Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty – podcast

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Guardian Politics
By Presented by Aditya Chakrabortty with Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor; produced by Frankie Tobi and Luke Smith; executive producers Maz Ebtehaj, Kirsty Major and James Tindale
10/11/2026, 7:00:20 AM
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‘Gaza is a moral tear in the universe’: Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor | Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty – podcast
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Are we really living through ‘end-times fascism’? Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor think so. In a new series from the Guardian, the pair speak to Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty in an extended interview. From Trump 2.0 and the rise of the tech billionaires to Gaza and the climate emergency, Klein and Taylor argue we are not just lurching from crisis to crisis but are in a new and dangerous moment in history. But they haven’t given up hope of a fightback You can watch the full interview wit

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  • ‘Gaza is a moral tear in the universe’: Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor | Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty – podcast.
  • Are we really living through ‘end-times fascism’?
  • Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor think so.

Are we really living through ‘end-times fascism’? Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor think so.In a new series from the Guardian, the pair speak to Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty in an extended interview. From Trump 2.0 and the rise of the tech billionaires to Gaza and the climate emergency, Klein and Taylor argue we are not just lurching from crisis to crisis but are in a new and dangerous moment in history. But they haven’t given up hope of a fightbackYou can watch the full interview with Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor here.Aditya’s suggested reading:Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor’s End Times Fascism is out now and available here. It began life as a special essay in the Guardian, which you can read here.A different take on whether Trump 2.0 is fascist comes from the economist Branko Milanović on his brilliant Substack.Elon Musk gives Donald Trump millions, and Trump gives Musk vast access to power. To read more, look at Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff’s long read for the Guardian and their recent book Muskism: A Guide for the Perplexed.For some phenomenal reporting on Trump’s second term, look at Regime Change by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan.How did the business class learn to love Trump and embrace chaos? Paul Heideman gives a lucid analysis in his recent book Rogue Elephant.Klein and Taylor’s book regularly cites Karen Hao’s Empire of AI.There’s also The Nerd Reich, just out from Gil Durán.If you enjoyed Yanis Varoufakis in our last episode of Radical Thinking, check out his book Technofeudalism.As for how AI is imposing a new age of total corporate control, The Rulers by Cecilia Rikap is a must. Continue reading...

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